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It's Flame War Wednesday! Let's make some comedy.

Your assignment is to choose a side on today's topic and defend it belligerently and obnoxiously. You should also rip apart your opponents with as much rancor and condescension as you can manage. Use absurd and rude personal attacks whenever possible. Ready? Okay.

Your topic: manual vs. automatic transmission in automobiles.

Example arguments to get you started:

The stickshift is just for annoying motor-elitists and NASCAR-wanna-be trash.
Oh yeah? Well, automatic transmission is for old ladies and young idiots who can't even work the windshield wipers properly and thus shouldn't be allowed to drive at all.

Now you try.

Date: 2008-04-23 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] losile.livejournal.com
If you use a stick, you don't love America.

Date: 2008-04-23 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 3secondfish.livejournal.com
*Auto*matic transmission makes perfect sense since I am driving an *auto*mobile.

Why would I want a *manual*mobile? You might as well stick your feet out the bottom and jog like the Flintstones.

Date: 2008-04-23 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antennapedia.livejournal.com
How can I properly express my control freak tendencies without a manual transmission to obsess over? How can I burn rubber without a clutch to pop? How else can I impress members of the opposite sex if I can't flaunt my emergency-brake-plus-clutch technique on San Francisco hills?

Stick shift forever!

Date: 2008-04-23 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kirstenfleur.livejournal.com
Using a manual transmission enables you, as a woman, to gain power over the male patriarchy by having a firm hold on the phallic symbol of masculine power, ie. the stick shift.
By using an automatic, you are therefore betraying feminism and everything your grandmothers fought for!

Date: 2008-04-23 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluedragon716.livejournal.com
Actually, by using manual transmission you are propogating the patriarchal hierarchy that insists all power stems from the phallus and the only way a woman can appropriate this male-reserved source of power is through an obviously inadequate substitute (as per Freud's penis-envy theory).

Drive automatic and reject the phallocentric automobile.

Date: 2008-04-23 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laleonaenojada.livejournal.com
Automatic transmissions are for sissies. Only people who find no enjoyment in the driving experience use automatic transmissions.

Also: bluedragon716: awesome icon

Date: 2008-04-23 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthbeckman.livejournal.com
What is there to debate? The only people who drive sticks are pathetic middle-aged hipsters trying to convince college girls that the equipment still works, and dried up, ball-busting, hatchet-faced harridans still angry about the failure of the ERA.

Date: 2008-04-23 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluedragon716.livejournal.com
Thanks! I thought Bowie was a good choice for a comment about masculine power and patriarchy.

Date: 2008-04-24 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kirstenfleur.livejournal.com
I see that you, by driving automatic, prefer to avoid the question of the male patriarchical dominance and live in a happy dreamworld where men and women are equal!

Those of us who are enlightened and are still fighting the good fight will drive manual, in order to subvert the dominant paradigm and render equality a reality!

/flame
There, that should be sufficiently insane for a flame war...oh, and I do love your icon

Date: 2008-04-24 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluedragon716.livejournal.com
I actually reject the entire automobile paradigm in preference of walking, which renders the entire gender question moot. Men and women both have two legs after all.

You're not 'subverting the dominant paradigm,' you just enjoy pandering to the male fantasy of a female grasp on the male power symbol.

/personal attack.
I'm a bit concerned at how easily the batshit comes to mind...

Thank you! I think it's pretty awesome too.

Date: 2008-04-24 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gavinworld.livejournal.com
Real men and women drive stick; automatics are for wimps and sissies. When you drive an automatic, the car drives you, not the other way around.

On a more serious note, I have actual reasons why I always buy manual cars:
1) They're less expensive.
2) They're much more fun to drive (okay, that one's subjective).
3) They have better fuel economy.
4) If you're stuck in snow, you can "rock" them out by switching rapidly between first and reverse.
4) Manual transmissions are much less expensive to repair than automatic ones.

I've taught three people (including Greg) how to drive stick, and they were all still speaking to me afterwards.

Date: 2008-04-24 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] travels-in-time.livejournal.com
Civilization's main goal has always been to tame man's surroundings, to give us control over our environment, to make mundane and necessary tasks easier. Just as we wouldn't go back to beating carpets with sticks or rubbing clothes over washboards, why would we choose a backwards, labor-intensive method of driving when an easier alternative is available?

Join the modern enlightened thinkers of the twenty-first century! Drive an automatic!

Date: 2008-04-24 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] travels-in-time.livejournal.com
Real men and women drive stick; automatics are for wimps and sissies.

Do you often feel the need to assert your dominance over a lifeless heap of metal? Perhaps you're sublimating your rage over feelings of helplessness in another area of your life.

Date: 2008-04-24 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] travels-in-time.livejournal.com
Are our boys in Iraq driving automatics?

WHY ARE YOU DISSING OUR TROOPS, YOU PINKO COMMIE?!?

Date: 2008-04-24 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teenybuffalo.livejournal.com
YOUR A LOSER YOU MORRON!!!!!1

/flame

God, I... I've felt the illicit little rush that comes even when you just *pretend* to be an Internet dickhedd. I may never be the same again.

Date: 2008-04-24 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] losile.livejournal.com
Our boys in Iraq are luring them in via false sense of security! AND MY DADDY WAS FIGHTING COMMIES IN THE JUNGLE WHILE YOUR DADDY WAS STICKIN' FLOWERS IN HIS HAIR!

Date: 2008-04-24 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] travels-in-time.livejournal.com
There are no commies in the jungle, you idiot. They're all here in the US, teaching morons like you at universities AND DRIVING STICKS.

(wait, I've forgotten which side of the argument you're on.)

Date: 2008-04-24 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] travels-in-time.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] lemonlye, you've created a monster!

Date: 2008-04-24 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mollyringle.livejournal.com
LOL

You guys are doing awesome here. I'm so proud.

Date: 2008-04-24 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mollyringle.livejournal.com
*wipes away a tear of pride*

Beautiful. This post is turning out so beautiful.

Date: 2008-04-24 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mollyringle.livejournal.com
I am deeply delighted that you two seized upon the potential of the phallic-symbol argument. I hoped someone would.

And agreed, androgynous Bowie is a perfect icon for that, in a sort of ironic way. :)

Date: 2008-04-24 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] losile.livejournal.com
Well at least I don't SMELL FUNNY.

(...I think I have as well...)

Date: 2008-04-24 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laleonaenojada.livejournal.com
In communist Russia, car drives YOU! Because pinko commie bastards aren't able to grasp the superiority of the all-american stick shift

Date: 2008-04-24 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laleonaenojada.livejournal.com
Feminism is scuh bullshiiiiiit, i cant beleive any1 still listents to all this crap. MEN RULE

Date: 2008-04-24 06:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teenybuffalo.livejournal.com
BOYS SUCK

THROW ROCKS AT THEM

Date: 2008-04-24 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bookgirl2632.livejournal.com
While I am a good driver, I really don't enjoy it that much. So the idea of participating more in the event is just silly to me. I'm an automatic girl and proud of it! Why would I want to do more work?

Date: 2008-04-24 11:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shebit.livejournal.com
Driving an automatic isn't 'driving', it's 'steering'.

Sorry, that wasn't very fierce, was it?

Date: 2008-04-24 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taliesin.livejournal.com
aww, I am sad that I missed this post. :-(


Date: 2008-04-24 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalquessa.livejournal.com
Hee. I love you.

And as usual, I'm on the fence: I like the new manu-matic trannies they're putting in Hyundais, now.

Date: 2008-04-24 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pokeystar.livejournal.com
Fence-sitting is what made America the mess it is today!

Pick a side, you wibbly flip-flopper!

Haven't you ever heard the cliche "You want to have your cake and eat it too?"

Much like bi-sexuality leading to twice the potential for rejection, manu-matic trannies lead to twice the expense to fix them!

Date: 2008-04-24 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalquessa.livejournal.com
Hey, I'm proud of my American heritage, and the right I have as an American to fence-sit all I please!

(Okay, I was going to respond to the di-sexuality line re. trannies, but...I'm laughing too hard to come up with a decent response. you win this one.)

Date: 2008-04-24 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kenshi.livejournal.com
People who drive automatics cause traffic jams.

No, seriously. With a manual, you can slow down a little without braking using engine compression when you take your foot off the gas. With an automatic, you have to use the brakes to achieve the same effect. When people see brake lights ahead of them, they slow down by reflex, usually a little bit more than the car ahead. In congested traffic, one person driving an automatic who touches the brake just to slow down a little will create a cascade effect resulting in stop-and-go traffic a mile or two behind.

Date: 2008-04-24 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pokeystar.livejournal.com
Hey, I'm proud of my American heritage, and the right I have as an American to fence-sit all I please!

Did you ever see Uncle Sam sitting on a fence? I think not. The Statue of Liberty? Is Mount Rushmore a rock or bits of pointy whitewashed wood?

And you call yourself an American? Bah.

Okay, I was going to respond to the di-sexuality line re. trannies, but...I'm laughing too hard to come up with a decent response. you win this one.

Dude. Don't make me argue with myself. Because I will. And it won't be pretty.

Date: 2008-04-24 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pokeystar.livejournal.com
Are you high on gas fumes?

I drive an automatic. When I take my foot off the gas, I slow down. It's called physics, look it up.

Date: 2008-04-24 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kenshi.livejournal.com
So you admit to causing traffic jams! Hah!

Date: 2008-04-24 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pokeystar.livejournal.com
Did I write that I put my foot on the brake?

No, I did not.

You are sniffing gas, aren't you? You do realize cocaine is probably cheaper?

Date: 2008-04-24 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kenshi.livejournal.com
A) You admit to driving an automatic
B) You admit to taking your foot off the gas and slowing down in traffic
C) Slowing down in traffic causes traffic jams

QED: By your own admission YOU are the cause of traffic jams.

Date: 2008-04-24 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pokeystar.livejournal.com
A) Your argument was (direct quote) In congested traffic, one person driving an automatic who touches the brake just to slow down a little will create a cascade effect resulting in stop-and-go traffic a mile or two behind.
B) I do not touch the brake to slow down a little.
C) An automatic slows down without applying brakes.

QED: By not reading your own theories, you admit to gas sniffing.

GAS SNIFFER.

Date: 2008-04-25 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dirae.livejournal.com
Christ on a bike, Jesus drives a manual!

Yep, That Stirred 'Em Up

Date: 2008-04-25 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thomas-a-kempis.livejournal.com
You understand people; I hope you are able to sleep well at night anyway :)

+

Professional Help Needed Here...

Date: 2008-04-25 05:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thomas-a-kempis.livejournal.com
This post is just too funny...

+

Date: 2008-04-25 09:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frodosweetstuff.livejournal.com
Listen, you funny Americans, in Europe EVERYONE drives a manual. And we don't have such a disgrace of a president, either. :P

Date: 2008-04-26 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mollyringle.livejournal.com
You'd get along well with my husband. He seems to prefer them for similar reasons. I wasn't very graceful or gracious when learning to drive one, at age 18, but I am indeed still speaking to him. (Yes, he was my teacher for that task as well.) :)

Date: 2008-04-26 10:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mollyringle.livejournal.com
I was going to make a joke using the phrase "What Would Jesus Drive?", only to discover it's an actual website. (http://www.whatwouldjesusdrive.org/)

...Golly.

Date: 2008-04-28 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gavinworld.livejournal.com
Behold my airtight logic:

Most evil dictators get driven around in limos with automatic transmissions. Therefore, people who drive automatics support evil dictators.

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